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本帖最后由 淘气兔 于 2010-6-13 07:01 编辑

       各位看官和我耐心等待,平时GG们都高大威猛,手拿狗腿,贝尔刀、瑞士军刀呀等等的,可是使用几率恐怕是不高。
       在好友的JJYY之下,拿出米米来买个清净,你去帮我打磨一把菜刀吧,自订刀胚加手动打磨纯人工制作。
我的diy菜刀听说已经横空出世,价格不菲呀!以后估计使用频率是超高的。
       等呀等呀,都一月了,接着等
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本帖最后由 淘气兔 于 2010-6-11 13:14 编辑

终于等来了我的菜刀,还有一把刀目前正在锻造中
有图有真相,感谢好友呕心沥血的打磨这把菜刀,使用起来很顺手

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发表于 2010-6-5 10:11:10 | 显示全部楼层
;P 哈哈~

已经开始等待并开始严重期待~
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发表于 2010-6-6 17:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
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国外原品(国内人民币:1880/把)


不晓得兔子的菜DAO嘛时间面世,看到贴就忍不住老劲的想了...

新入一把相似户外猎DAO忍不住拿出来和大家分享一哈!

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国内销品,除刃材和刀鞘不同,其他一致!价格就低了太多太多~

嘛时间无装备户外时专门带出去秀哈{:4_126:}
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发表于 2010-6-6 17:28:37 | 显示全部楼层
关于ATS-34

日本“日立金属工业”针对美制154CM 而开发之优质不锈钢, 用料和成份与154CM相近, 而各方面之性能皆达至154CM之标准, 且犹有过之, 但价格则较廉, 被业内认定为最佳刀具钢材之一,。

现已成为手制及优质厂制刀具应用之主流。

经热处理後可达HRc60~61硬度。


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关于7CR13Mov

类似大家熟知的440C
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发表于 2010-6-6 20:21:43 | 显示全部楼层
俺收藏的另外一把

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发表于 2010-6-6 20:23:37 | 显示全部楼层
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两个款式,风格各异! 让人爱不释手的手工制作~
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发表于 2010-6-6 20:27:07 | 显示全部楼层
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这样是制作只有那些真正喜欢DAO的工匠才能做出来这样的感觉和效果~

一把好DAO就是一件艺术品!!!


兔子啊!

在等你的菜DAO啊!!!
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发表于 2010-6-6 23:39:03 | 显示全部楼层
管理员发的刀刀不太适合野外生存,因为刀柄材料不一致且不是一体的。第一把刀的刀柄用了牛皮,黄铜格片和鹿角,装饰性比较突出。第二把刀估计是国内的森美牌,角质刀柄,刀身部锻打纹。刀身锻打纹突出,估计也是为了美观,但是保养起来麻烦。
一般情况,生存用刀都是整体全龙骨,然后刀柄一体化,这样就比较结实了。不易断裂。
另。据我所知,ats-34耐绣程度不及440c(国内牌号9Cr18MoV)
城市不是我的家,背上行囊走天涯,独来独往,流浪去
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发表于 2010-6-7 00:00:23 | 显示全部楼层
的确,猎刀不一定是要去做极端野外生存用的。

因为制作工艺较为精美,因此个人收藏把玩,偶然户外户外还是蛮有感觉的!

猎刀更多的功能应该是切削,偶尔砍砍什么的也是木有问题的。

如果要去做所谓的野外生存就用类似贝尔用的直柄刀。

上面两个款式都是龙骨一体的,尤其手工制作的猎刀,这也是我个人喜好。所以如果就是要户外生存哈是木有什么大问题的!

刀没有万能的,就是贝尔的刀也不是万能的,所以感觉实用喜欢就好!


-----------下面是一段关于野外生存用刀的文字---------------------------------

除了帅哥贝尔,最吸引我的还有他的求生刀。

该刀是他和Bayley刀厂合作一起设计出的,适用于现今任何地方的、最通用、最强壮、最实用的刀。

贝尔 格里尔斯刀的大致参数:刀长:215mm,刃长:100mm,柄长:115mm,刃宽:30mm,刃厚:4mm,柄材:G10,刃材:RWL粉末钢,刀重:200g。




三个优点:

1、极其锋利:似乎削什么都轻而易举;

2、皮实:贝尔用它砍大木头什么的,都是用石头直接砸刀背;

3、造型简单:这把刀的锋利似乎比 “维氏”瑞士军刀都强,但是瑞士军刀的缺点就是刀薄易损;皮实的刀,又不如他的锋利。

可想而知,如果有一把如此棒的刀,到什么地方都方便很多。



贝尔的魅力在于他时刻都在较量,跟恶劣的环境,也跟自己,不是有句广告词:男人要对自己狠一点。在较量的过程中,愈加有力。


什么钢什么硬度都是一个传说,现在用的粉末钢更是如此!


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发表于 2010-6-7 00:02:32 | 显示全部楼层
网上搜到的文章,写得虽然不是非常细致但是要点都有。

越往最后越觉得似乎见过,既然翻了就贴了大家共同学习。

文章来自:
http://www.knifriend.sh.cn/

http://www.survivaltopics.com/



How to Choose a Survival Knife
More Articles Related to Blades And Knives
A Survival Knife is the most important single item of your survival gear
Survival Note: Survival Topics sells a line of Survival Knives specially chosen to help you survive. For more information visit the Knives and Blades section.
You need the best survival knife. Choosing the right survival knife is more than an exercise in individuality – your very life may hinge upon its proper selection.
Anyone who has ever spent quality time in the outdoors will vouch for the usefulness of a good knife but to the survival expert his knife is one of his best friends and the most closely guarded of his survival gear. Like a good friend, his survival knife should never let him down.


求生刀是你求生装备中最重要的一项。
你需要一把最好的求生刀:如何正确的选择一把求生刀远比你的个人求生训练重要,你的生命往往就维系在选择的正确性上。
喜欢经常在户外玩的人都知道一把好刀的用处,但是作为一个生存专家,一把刀就是他最好的朋友之一,是最需要贴身保护的生存装备。就想一个好朋友一样,他的生存刀永远不会让他倒下。

Every Man Had a Knife
Time was when nearly all men carried knives, if only a small pocket knife while in town. Whenever one went into the wilds his hunting knife, as they were then called, was always close at hand.

每个男人都有一把刀。
无论何时,所有的男人都带刀,在城里会是一把小小的口袋刀,但是当你进入荒野,一把猎刀就永远会在手边。
求生刀是最重要的求生装备:

The survival knife is the most important item of your survival gear

Full Tang Knife
Today many people have forgotten the necessity of always carrying a knife. Indeed it has become commonplace to meet people who are afraid of knives and question those who carry them. It is a sad fact that the majority of modern day people have no idea about the many uses of a good knife.


现在人往往忽略随身带刀的必要性,实际上很多人害怕刀,这是一个现在社会中非常让人沮丧的事情,这些人根本不知道一把好刀有什么用。

经常在野外有很多人问我:你背包肩带上的刀带着干啥用?“你根本就不知道刀是干啥的”

我一般这么回答。

他们总认为自己知道,可我明白,他如果知道就不会问这么愚蠢问题。

Often while out on the trail I will meet people who ask me what the knife hanging from the shoulder strap of my pack is for. “You don’t know what a knife is for?”, is my usual reply. And they think they do. But I know better, for else they would not have asked such a clueless question.
Survival Knives are Required Gear

求生刀是必须的装备
一把好的求生刀是最重要的求生装备,是15项必需品之一,每个求生者都必修随身携带。拥有一直好的求生刀你可以在野外获得需要的东西并成功活下来。为此你选择的求生刀结构必须坚固,材料正确,制作精良和正确的功能设计。

A good survival knife is the most important item of your survival gear and is one of the 15 essentials that all survivors should have with them. With a good knife you can make or obtain just about anything you need to live and even prosper in the outdoors. With this in mind, your selection of the best survival knife for your needs must be based on solid construction, proper materials, workmanship, and functionality.
Survival Knives to Avoid
Narrow Tang
To the inexperienced, survival knives often conjure up images of the huge Rambo type knives as glorified in Hollywood movies. Though they look like potent weapons that can take on the world, these oversized knives are a far cry from the best of knives used by survival experts. The big knives suffer from being difficult to control as they are overly heavy and bulky. Many needs of the survivor require finer detail work than can readily be accomplished with this kind of blade.

对于那些根本没有经验的人,提到求生刀会招来一大批那些美其名曰的好莱坞大片里头类似RAMBO类型的超大刀。虽然这些大刀看起来像是强有力的武器可以拯救世界,实际上他们的超大尺寸与一个生存专家心目中的最好的求生刀相去甚远。他们超大的体积和重量使得这类刀具难以控制,求生专家需要的是能可以很好的完成精工细作,远非这类刀形可以完成的事。
双刃刀大多用来刺,因为是双刃,这类刀尖比较脆弱,容易损毁,另外双刃用处并不大反而容易造成伤害。
市场上很多求生刀都是空心柄,因为他可以用来储存火柴,指南针等物件,防止受潮。但是由此带来的问题是,这类刀具比一体钢刀脆弱,不结实。你可以把指南针等物件存放在别处,而且这样做还有个好处是,就算刀丢了,这些东西还在,你还有的用。
其实最好的生存刀没有那么花哨,相反是非常低调,非常平凡普通的。没有经验的户外爱好者或者求生主义者在选择的时候常常错过,常常把他们当作初学者的选择。

Double edged knives are used mostly for thrusting. Because their tips are relatively weak they are prone to breaking. In addition, the second edge is an unneeded edge that can lead to injury.
Many survival knives are sold that have hollow handles, the idea being you can store survival essentials like matches and compass inside the water tight handle. One problem hollow handled survival knives have is that they are prone to being weaker than the solid handle variety. There are exceptions, but generally you are better off storing your survival gear elsewhere. One advantage to this is that should you loose your knife you will still have the remainder of your survival gear to rely upon.
The best outdoor survival knives are actually quite unassuming. Inexperienced outdoorsmen and survivalists will often pass them over to select blades that will mark them as survival neophytes to those who are in the know,
Optimum Blade Length of a Survival Knife


最适宜的求生刀尺寸
最好的求生刀,首先必须具备的一个特点就是通用!看他到底能干多少种事情,同时求生装备的体积和重量和装备一样重要。
按照我个人的经验,一把好的求生刀的刀刃尺寸应该在4-6英寸之间(10-15厘米)这个尺寸的刀子综合操控能力最好。任何超过这个尺寸的刀仅仅是过渡提高杀伤力,以及徒增体积分量。

The best survival knives neet to be versatile in the number of things they can be called upon to do. At the same time bulk and weight are important considerations as with any survival gear.
It has been my experience that the ideal survival knife blade length is somewhere between four and six inches. This size blade offers good mix of size and control. Any blade larger than that is overkill and merely adds to the weight and bulk of the survival gear I am carrying.
If a larger survival blade is needed then you would probably be better off packing a machete, axe, hatchet, tomahawk, or kuris. In any case, you would still do well to also have on your person a regular sized survival knife.
In addition to a survival knife with about a 5-inch blade, I like to carry a multi-tool that has a smaller folding blade. This blade comes in handy for finer detail work that would be too cumbersome for the large knife.

如果非要一件大刀,我建议你配一把开山刀、斧头或者狗腿。无论怎么样,你都应该让你的人配置一把正常尺寸的求生刀。

作为一把5寸左右求生刀的补充,我喜欢再带上一支多功能组合工具,他上面的小折刀在某些细小的工作中比大刀要舒服很多。

Knife Tang
刀柄龙骨

好的求生刀必须是一块整钢制作,配上合手的柄。这种结构的刀常见有全龙骨柄芯和渐细(鼠尾)柄芯。

The best survival knife is constructed of one piece of metal, to which there may be slabs of material attached to form a comfortable handle. This kind of construction is known in the knife world as “full tang” or “narrow tang”.

此处讲述两种柄芯,未译。

Full tang survival knives are made so that the blade merges into the handle. Often two slabs of material are attached to either side of the metal to make a comfortable handle. In order to economize on weight and bulk some knives eschew the addition of handles and the metal is left bare.
Narrow tang survival knives reduce the size of the blade material as it enters the handle of the knife. A handle is then attached over the narrower piece of the knife. Often the knife handle is composed of leather disks, the placement of which is a skill in and of itself. Narrow tang knives sometimes have a pommel attached to the handle end of the tang.
Cheap survival knives are often made so that the metal blade is separate from the handle. The weak point on these badly made knives is where the blade and handle are bolted and glued together. You would do well to avoid such a cheap knife in favor of the superior full tang or narrow tang models.

一些便宜的生存刀往往柄芯不全(我看文章是这个意思),这种劣质刀的弱点在刀刃与刀柄铆接/胶水粘和处,你最好不要把这些烂刀和龙骨柄芯的刀混为一谈。

Types of Knife Blades
There are two main types of knife blades that the survivor need concern himself with, namely smooth and serrated. Serrated survival knife blades do well at cutting synthetic materials, clothing, and flesh. For self defense and paramedics, etc, serrated edges are a good choice.


刃形:
这里有两种刀形,求生者需要结合自身条件选择:平刃和齿刃。齿刃的求生刀在对付,有着出色的表现。对于自卫以及医护人员等,齿刃就是一个不错的选择。但是齿刃在野外比较难磨。求生环境下刀刃的锋利则是生死攸关的,这也是齿刃对于求生来说最主要的缺点。同时齿刃不适合雕刻/抠挖和砍劈。

A drawback to serrated cutting edges is that they are difficult to sharpen properly in the field. This is certainly a major drawback in a survival situation where maintaining a keen edge during hard use is vitally important. In addition, serrated knives do not have an efficient blade for carving and chopping.
A plain smooth edged blade is the blade of choice for most survival situations. Such a blade is useful for carving, chopping, and cutting. Though it may not slice through nylon webbing, clothing, or flesh as efficiently as a serrated blade, the straight bladed knives will still make short work of these materials.


平刃顺滑的刀刃则适合大多数求生环境,这种刃型很适合抠挖、劈砍以及切割,虽然对付合成材料、棉布和肉类时没有齿刃来得轻松,但是平刃并不会增加太多的工作量。同时平刃一个非常好的优点就是当你没有磨刀石的时候,随便找块石头或者一块混凝土就可以磨利。而齿刃则必须用专用的磨刀器具才能实现。

The added advantage of the regular blade is that you can sharpen your survival knife on a rock or piece of concrete should you not have a regular sharpening stone handy whereas the serrated blade generally needs a special sharpening device and technique.

需要补充的是,很多求生刀都有背齿设计用来锯金属或者木头,有很多案例,你比如Rambo刀就有这样的大背齿,这些背齿只能做一些非常少的工作,如果你确实需要增加一个小锯子,你可以在你的求生装备中增加一个特别设计的工具来担任此项工作

On the back of many survival knives are a saw meant for sawing through metal or wood. In too many cases, as in the Rambo type knives, these saws only do a poor job at best. If you require a small saw in your survival gear you would do well to add a tool specifically designed for this rather than use your knife for this purpose.

Knife Blade Thickness


刃厚:
求生刀具最佳厚度应当是5/32-8/32英寸之间(4-6mm),薄于这个尺寸,刀身则过于柔软,但是一旦厚过这个尺寸,则会失去精细工作时的灵巧,而这些都是求生环境中非常频繁碰到的。
另外:刀尖的强度非常重要,往往这就是一把刀最容易出问题的地方。

The best survival knife will generally have a blade thickness of between 5/32 and 8/32 of an inch. Any thinner and the blade becomes too flexible and thicker blades lack the finesse for the finer work that knives for survival are often called upon to do.
It is important that the tip of the knife maintains its strength, as this is a likely area the knife is likely to fail.

Knife Blade Materials


刀刃材料:
以下2中材料常被用来制作高质量的求生刀:
不锈钢制作的刀具可以抵御潮湿环境中的腐蚀,不需要太多的保养,但是缺点在于其一则贵,二则不容易磨利,且刀刃保持性也差。
碳钢如果不常用或者没涂层则容易生锈,但是诸多的经验看来,碳钢保持性总是比同类型的不锈钢强。(笔者:我不止一次见到这样的描述,附议)

There are two main types of steel used in making high quality survival knives:
Stainless Steel knife blades are rust resistant and work especially well in wet environments. They require less care than the carbon steel knives. Drawbacks to using stainless steel in knives is that they tend to be more expensive, are more difficult to sharpen, and may not hold an edge as well.
Carbon Steel knife blades will rust if not used regularly or coated. Many feel carbon bladed knives hold an edge better than their stainless steel counterparts.
Some of the Best Survival Knives
In future Survival Topics I will explore a few of the proven survival knives that would serve you well. I welcome any input from Survival Topics readers about knives and their personal choices for the best survival knife.


常见的最好的求生刀举例:

Some of the best survival knives that come highly recommended include Becker Knives, Fallkniven, and SOGs:
        Fallkniven H1
        Fallkniven A1
        Fallkniven F1
        Fallkniven S-1
        SOG Seal 2000
        SOG Seal Pup
        Becker Knives
        Becker BK10
        Becker BK9
        Becker BK7
        Bear Grylls Knife - interesting read, an expensive knife for collectors. (收藏迷的贵货)
        Survivormans Knife
        Rambo 4 knife - certainly not a choice in survival knives but an expensive knife for collectors. (当然这不是求生刀的一个选择,但是是收藏迷需要的贵州货)

When choosing the best survival knife for your needs you make certain you do not skimp. Get the best survival knife for your needs and it will serve you well for years to come. And, it may just save your life!

你选择求生刀的时候你必须得考虑你得舍得用,选择你需要的最好的求生刀,他会为你效力很多年,并且,他可能会救你的命。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-11 13:20:44 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 淘气兔 于 2010-6-11 23:26 编辑

楼上的难民GG发了N多种求生刀,马上我的手工制作求生刀也要面世了。

我的(MFS-生存刀),钢440C材质
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做刀的材料

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粗打磨热处理以后的刀胚

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开始动手自己磨刀

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制作中的刀胚

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mad dog atak1 疯GDatak1

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缠绳中


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自己手工伞绳刀柄,我都解不开

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初开刃——传说中的削铁如泥
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发表于 2010-6-11 23:49:13 | 显示全部楼层
兔子,你这把菜刀和当年贺元帅用的咋是一模一样咧?;P

下面那把的相关指标都公示一哈,让大家都羡慕哈!!!!

不晓得鞘会是怎样的?

刀条和刀型都蛮好看:victory:
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发表于 2010-6-13 00:48:16 | 显示全部楼层
看来其中有把是我预定的仿贝尔求生刀了{:4_117:}
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